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this is not the official cultures Cassidy examines aspects of science and space culture production I'm the creator and host all up there I'm delighted to be joined by Andrew she'll to talk about it gold do we have a subtitle finesse films after she always believe in yourself I'm still subtitle for the film that came up in the Senate but it's not the page where it is it well the tagline is the dream that United our nation I'm not stopping cinema theme that's going to run this route what we're discussing today right finally nation is the Republic of India I don't think so the thing okay finished movement is a film dramatization and fictionalizing ation of the true story of India's gold medal winning field hockey team at the nineteen forty at Olympics posted and London otherwise known as the austerity Olympics as no new facilities are built in the post war economy for India it was also their first Olympic Games as an independent country they had previously entered as British India and been winning medals on behalf of Britain it was also the first games for both India and Pakistan post protection now you can go in years ignition Rambo okay this is part of an ongoing project by unite to go and see films which we wouldn't ordinarily currency in part because we're not seeing trailers for them Beijing media outlets that we are exposed to on a regular basis and they're not being reviewed by my review is here's refusing to listen to bake cons press great because of the fresh green nine and you know this may change because I would love to hear what people who are reviewing stuff that's coming from European and US markets some industries think of from cemex circle gold which of course is it's a bit of a spoiler already because she knew what the end point is going to be a film yes just more by they getting there and the narrative let's get this out of the way field hockey we didn't think it would be quite so sexy but filled exciting pretty sexy so this is from the resort at the Odeon metrocentre across the river in Gateshead heads the mattress into early and it has this habit of pressing on the occasional subtitled foreign language film detailing Indian films yeah this is something we learned when we were in Branford recently which is the fact that they %HESITATION didn't invent for dance to show a lot more subtitled foreign language films from South Asia including ones that are in the women's room bangali in addition to ones that are in hand the one that we saw gold foundation using the state's primarily in India because there's lots of bits when people pass into English when we go to see these kinds of from the system the second one would be celebrity come to see at the metrocentre which seems to be another court body was found because that's got connotations are doing to bring in that that is why it was not because it's it's a Hindi film second seed in the mattress into %HESITATION themes already you're beginning to emerge we go knowing that cinema going in South Asia he's an awfully different social experience from what it is here but there are some elements of it the different quite substantially we go knowing for example the talking during the screening is much more widely accepted in India than it is here and there for the crown with strict adherence to what is known as the code we need to be briefly suspended for we do this now that we're gonna talk and eat and make phone calls during the film we have to be fine with us other humans during this I can cope with Janick St it's just week upset and in front of some young people he incessantly at sites from the largest packaging on the planet go to different schools but yes I am after all the stuff they sell at all I started to go just five minutes to break long but we should have mates another thing that I suppose is worth studying is when you get a ticket to sit in a specific price and then of people come along and the person at the desk at the front of the cinema because this is where I was going to be sitting with you on the set of course you're sending that %HESITATION was going to take it before you actually got to sit twelve extra ticket for but not not everyone just sat in the back and we deliberately set the backed off to one side so as to be inconspicuous at the only white people kind of course are conspicuous this as the only white people in the room drew the attention of the person who is selling is the ticket because I said can we have two grown up kids for the seven whatever sure you've got with him she went you do know it's a bold move from there to annoy it's users to Q. yeah because of course we were the wrong color of past history the fact that the metrocentre idea shows seemingly just Hindi films as it's such a different language from tells you something about what what do you think they are able to get from the surrounding area and the work of art thirty people it meant for him except for you and I seems to be off recent south Asian origin another thing which is very good to get out while we're on the subject of the slight difference between the semi going experience and that the U. K. it's going to see that from my consent into war with %HESITATION yeah western I'm gonna phone personal sentiment was arranged that because people were talking and doing stuff on the phone to a ninety degree during Wonder Woman yeah I had a couple of things that's a spectrum that because we'll save during a quiet place not a single other person said a single word to my recollection to request Arbel time doing nothing because there were people behind us having a food on top show yeah well that's an interest in the film I was in is trying to save it they kept telling me I and then people kept standing up and knocking over the glasses that they shouldn't have had in the screen that that that was missing their banks so I can name a phone what we thought was a radio story space name the phone when people are generally quiet we've seen recently probably the best but you don't even see that for a while it's being played no trace wasn't too but that was terrible it was okay many people are saving less and not the recess intended this to stick with the experience of being in the house it's very sad but also I think it's worse because the first Hindi film that we saw was tiger Zinda hai yes that was quite rushes and that's an option may face it had serious things in it but it was not intended to be fairly serious hi there comic relief and it's needed to stand I think what I'm reading Joanna by the Indian sounds as staff is very aware of cinematic language in a bright playful with it so you have these children action scenes he how people taken south face with the film and self respect their friends to write the film and just having a good time and I kind of embraced the Rochas ness of the crime that was quite a big crowd for that one the cinemas movie half fill for that and it's quite a big screen and the noise didn't really bother me because I was swept up in the action the next and of course sections related these explosions shutting I think with this one it was more of a sign it difficult to concentrate because service lots of different languages being used it was hard to follow of course this is a time in India as well where you're coming I does not just colonial rule but the country splitting apart it's fracturing and so there's a lot of different languages to keep up with and then people are slipping into English at times you need to concentrate on things that were being said and then of course you're aware that your ladies and things in the translation and the subtitles but the subtitles need to be accurate enough because that's the common language English is going to be a common line which anyway in this region I didn't really mind so much to talk in the phone so I could kind of pick up but it was not constant I kind of stress that constant the wrestling actually was there was no break and that there was just a lot going on in that film this quarter there was more drama in it and there was a leading figure during those months are sequence which was about they were running through the second World War in these terms of second World War during which there's music going on with lyrics and so we getting tele sized text translating the lyrics and music at the same times getting newspaper headlines as a way of getting us quickly to the second local reading two sets of stuff at the same time was great Turkey so the last thing the experience of being amongst that cinema audiences in the particular cinema or deterrent I wanted to point out was and this of course reveals how the film ended in the nineteen forty and the fix that changes are things about once you happen with it and change this India does win the men's field hockey in the nineteen forty A. Lympics in fact it's just the filter because is that women still don't get it done and it does when you get a gold medal the entire team and there's a sequence when the Indian national anthem is played over the hoisting of flags the culmination of the narrative is quite powerful I was feeling kind of record hot for engines is great stuff so I was into it but to go I think I counted two currents to cause stood up for the national anthem there were women right some people stood up for the national anthem this apparently is a thing in cinemas in India which is that the national anthem will be played once the phone playing phone stands up and it's quite a matter of I'm just trying to put expectation people will stand up for national anthem you %HESITATION always referring to me as %HESITATION calling a friend but at that particular moment three well I think you counts killing or press the two thing there's been stopping you from telling these kids to stop making noise throughout the entire film I spent dental cushion it was a whole lot of yeah we're not going to stand for the national anthem the firm's of thinking what would I do if somebody demanded that I stood up for another country's national anthem because I could just go right I'm not standing up for any country's national I don't think I'm not even when I don't really do nationhood and this I have to but it was quite a rising moment more the film leading emotionally she piece you check yourself you go well that wouldn't be appropriate that was a whole world of are you wouldn't be appropriate they wouldn't be appropriate so you would be appropriate and with a number here we're just here to see the film we would learn %HESITATION the only people who sent over to the credit bureaus to SSJ I didn't concentrate on them as much as I normally read because I just felt really transfer melakukan noise going on behind me we should obey and it was a long film and especially at the point is that and in twenty minutes I was actually doing very specific timings so yeah I think we'll take care of that it was two hours not counting the intermission nine ten min intermission too often I think we've talked quite a bit of by our viewing conditions in the film the film itself there's quite a lot of issues so I think just to write nine if you could play thinking about colonialism post colonialism and neo colonialism and I think that post prefix it's one that I've been preoccupied with for quite awhile coming from a post conflict place that's also on one hand post colonial on on the other still colonial so that will be interesting to think about it %HESITATION so that religious and racial identity so she really big mixture of people from different backgrounds as well as their regional tensions in the film which ten DSM but also there's Sikhism Buddhism Islamism and Parsees mentions the role of women or maybe then that practical non existence of women only when it's I think the main character's wife is actually a pinnacle of the narrative but she still so sidelined and marginalised so things like arranged marriages and Mandy and the blessing of the wife does so I think we should think about those sorts of things probation and alcohol the idea of Bollywood because we're not really I mean here we anyway because neither of us are experts in some from this area of the world I don't know very much but believe it anyway but you do you get that song and dance elements in the film that we come to expect from what we would typically associate with Bollywood cinema and also flanks one of my favorite topics is as such a woman fluffy element of yeah the politics of Northern Ireland yes indeed right so first of all just on a personal level I really enjoyed the experience of watching the film I find it really fun writing getting ready to go after it was forever in the way it was told it's quite funny another time but it hits you pretty hard as well because of course there's a lot of violence the country splitting apart there's a lot of hatred between Hindus and Muslims and the stakes seem to be caught in the middle of all this people from the pitch operation %HESITATION that comes across the town they seem to they picked on by everybody in this class conflict amongst the six it's very for the amount of time that it comes because it starts off in nineteen thirty six the the Indian team is British India have just won the men's field hockey for the second or third time running and so the winning for Britain Britain's relying on them to do it but it's not bothering to sales teams according to the story at least and then we have the nineteen forty Olympics being canceled and that's a really big frustration in the nineteen forty four Olympics been cancelled and finally we get to nineteen forty eight so this film does cover over a decade during which people slightly which gives you a little bit of gray in various currencies have surprises another word for a particular group of Serra streams in India absolutely so something I studied journalism student but I have not seen for example structure I thought this is really working it's having an elected beginning but one just saying the car while this film contains doing donuts the aim is to do this while I was independent India that is a position of deficiency does have to be able to achieve and then mixed in fact we've got enough time it takes to get to know the field hockey big contest the plane is a constant frustration to our main character he's content and dance in the colon bangali if the current school him Mike is a maintenance light pointing up with connect so he's from the east %HESITATION at the time what is India and what course would become the pontiff bangles would become hard to find a passion which initially was expected some of the petition Kevin does he has to wait all this time and we can see his current to begin to crack in the pressure having to wait for so long I see becomes an alcoholic and then there's the challenge of okay now this country's been through war and everybody played their last show talking twenty minutes is now probably too old seven to put the team together from scratch one of these classic reverses when talking does having got permission to put this team together from somebody if he's to win his next season's part of the Indian Olympic management once he finally starts to put the team together does so quite successfully in quite quickly and then petition echoes and as a result they have this hemorrhaging its members from the team say the first one is that everyone who's a Muslim face for their own safety and flees to the nearest city that's going to be part of Pakistan's safely to the whole this is a traitor quite obviously what's happened to us scratching names off his list so we lose Muslims they lose holes are the Anglos this is something which I didn't really I noticed that some of the members have English names James Cullen for example some of members of the team is that putting it together and have the dentist names unveils seem to decide that they're not going to be safe in post independence in post partition India as well and so they'll move to Australia the big damage to the team is not just the cost of these people that they were supposed to captain their ways into yes and it is not occurred to me looking at these people's names the some of them Hindus and some money K. different these people seeks to stay way ahead of me still months but that person must be missing because it's still remaining I didn't make that assumption but then clearly mmhm the film just splits the team and as you just contact these people in the team anymore but then of course some of these people who end up as packs thirty citizens because essentially what the phone does is pull these people would remain citizens of India whether they're Hindus Muslims Sikhs %HESITATION anglers will policies whatever they are they remain citizens of India it's just suddenly this contagion is taking hold inside of India where no one who's known to Hindu or Sikh is safe and so they have one of these instances of Hindu crowd trying to kill in two hours the Muslim captain of this team and it's only because various other members of the team hello that they managed to save his life and he's drenched in petrol and and this is going to be the same so this is the low point of the phone thanks because this is the partition of India amongst and face violence and also the team is now down to about four people have deemed it okay to still stay in India I know this because this is one thing which instantly reminded me of tiger Zinda hai in spite of hundred at very different films this film recounts partition is the worst possible thing that could ever happen to India recounts as this scar that needs to be remedied to the extent of reunifying Pakistan within the conditions in India which still contains text on on Monday and so the rendition of the various rounds of that field hockey Olympics contains both the Indian team impacts commenting these teams put together at the very last minute from position just about whipped into shape then again says the British teams right just about with him said they haven't fielded their own team for twenty years in spite of this will be a very last minute thing the Indians and Pakistanis they give really good accountants are there in the top four classically thanks trying to do the same thing what it points out is that the Indians will be completely fine spec Stephanie's got the gold medal friend are delighted that the Indians skip Copeland this picture of India Pakistani cooperation yeah they both win either way and that tells us something about the way that the Indian film industry views India's relationship artist on moment which is that it's doing its damnedest to be considered tree when there aren't significant tensions between two thirty but also a bit better than you do about this but yet in both of these very same recently with brothers but do you want to know that India is the bigger problem and the starship that's about it one thing I want to confront as a characteristic of this film is there are so okay so this is a historical piece of fiction so what we should expect front is that these are historical versions of real people and serve they want to have the same names these real people but I had a quick look at who play in the nineteen forty eight field hockey at the Olympics and not a single person whose name was mentioned in the film as being a member of any of these fifty teams and for the Olympics appeared in this film the team from India every single person on the list here of who actually right nine names appear in the script some similar settings for example something like five members of the Indian hockey team at the time that same same but that's far from the most common name yeah the firm for jobs so it's not surprising that fence but it never happened I'm the actual count is completely fictional only the India won gold at forty I expected okay I mean that was historically accurate there was a disclaimer at the start of the film to say that it was fictional all of the people are fiction from a pretty big just did the standard everyone's fictional any resemblance to anything on that it's pretty constant it didn't say based on a true story even though it is based on a true story it's just that one part of his story the big part the main part of the story it's an imaginary really I think that in itself is interests and think in terms of a lot of different nations all over the world if they're in some kind of post transitionary a phase stem and there's a question mark over when does not face ever hand twenty not post conflict twenty don't post dictatorship when he notes transitioning from these things when you know transitioning from a partition when do you become stop saying so there is that hanging over it %HESITATION ace with a place like India and then Pakistan as well with them being both of them at the same time post colonial and post partition this is the time to imagine the past reimagine the past reinvent the past retail the past three historic size but there's no %HESITATION came to trace here and it's an entertaining story and it's a story that's probably quite rising possibly in a nationalistic sense of patriotic sense I suppose in a nice way because it's sports rather than I mean sports anyway it's pretend complex but with something like field hockey certainly not time doesn't have the connotations of violence that a lot of other sports to become to have later on they're sporting a separate I think to make it quicker point of sharing crowns in the last thirty six Olympics thirty nine the German problem because they're cheering for India when the allies that are collecting that final and then the same thing with the British people yeah among forty eight Olympics cheering for India because they're the underdogs enough fun now quickly on to the way in which these games run the actual score in the final was India one for now India beat Great Britain for millions on the way in which they do it in the film is that India would go down to now they have to make everyday tasks in the first time yeah and then there's the second half comeback I know this is important the context within the correct %HESITATION that's what's going on in that state isn't just that the team they're the underdogs I have to win it isn't just that it's that there's been class complex but also it seems regional conflicts the same Sir quite separate but also there's the prince his name is regularly attract taps and and what's the other characters her character from the same region he's him out samba him not as the team's best player lose their best player by far but he hasn't been allowed to play on the strategy that no one tells him to do connect the characters what's going on and there's a perfectly reasonable explanation for them not being played even though they know that the bass player of the whole team so he doesn't get to play a toll and the tournaments and it's the last game there in the final top on has been saving him and the Ryans when they're playing in the tables all of the teams are watching each other strategies he's warned by it's the former captain so the captain of the gold winning team from thirty six summer summer Hey everybody knows he's really famous supplier he's really admire terrorising want him as captain but he will death but when protection happens he takes some relief when he comes back to train with the team he advises and to see if he's here what is it the calm he sure trump cards or something along those lines but nobody tells him that that's today the server secret weapons the conflict arises he gets really annoyed because this guy who's very very wealthy from the same region is ham and he's grown up in poverty they're both what is it center field centre forward centre forwards this is how much support things I know so they're both the same position as the primary position for gold and the princess the one he hogs the ball all the time he will not pass C. won't pass to his teammates he just runs rings around everybody and goes for his own glory and it doesn't gel with the team very much but he's made vice captain with him not as a T. in player but he's also really really good show up to he's probably better than this other guy but there's just class tension arises and him and feels very hard done by that he's not getting go and then it comes to half time and there's a big blow up this disciplinary action because they've had a bit of a fight in a bar yeah so there's all these tensions rising it's building up so this kind of Max and then finally top and convinces the heads of the team to maximise play and I think it's just because everyone just goes I'm sorry well they reveal what they were doing in the radios all right nice thing but something about this yeah but nobody goes why don't you tell us even if elected come on but yeah makes for very entertaining second half then again we've got several different narratives going on the same time the other one is just is about to happen to us and whether he can organize this team is basically the manager whether he can get his team organized and get them to the point where they can win gold for India and he keeps promising everyone I will get him to come and go from there and then you've got what's coming to India itself and so whether characters will live or die and then in addition to that we've got this conflicts between record data processing and have that same class conflict when the resolution of that conflict is lost cementing together of the team there's several stages of cementing together the team one of them is that when they're doing training this the potus things simple just on the team but the second version the team the ones put together after partition a train after Buddhist monastery they get very lucky yeah and it's tough and it's quite a Jeremy thank you he's out is what sends you complain training grace finally call together and no thirteen but they can't get anywhere to train they won't give any more money he keeps making afraid of themselves because the case getting really drunk and messing stuff up and spray themselves to beat pretty unreliable even though when it comes to the team he's really dedicated and he knows what he's doing but he's a liability in terms of this behavior three of us next to nothing yeah what is his struggles to get this team put together as he struggles to become a functioning human being yeah because his alcoholism lost a long time yeah I think it's the last hurdle that has to be cross to to get the team as he wants it to be to Britain I think they even leave without him initially team has to be yeah he has to be reinstated it's because there's a levels of control over the team and as in the Saudi I he said in the United States for a while and it's his second in commands he is really trying to get rid of top on schools Mr master he's one of our many antagonists expose in this film he's one of those antagonists he also has a point you know what's right he's coded as you're not supposed to like or trust me but actually he has a point hello this time because Toppin's behavior sure getting a mix of people coming and there's the whole thing but how he treats his wife salinity get inside of that tape so there's this other thing going on with his alcoholism yes he goes to this address mama straight trying to ask for space and boards for training initially they say no they later yes is there a senior member he's taken a five year five silent C. hasn't spoken in five years of course you're set up for what's coming up and it's asking an intermediary monk communicating on his behalf there's a flat nose or chin up say they know they can come a day and then second us says something about a bounce and he just mentioned mentioned some routes because someone's going to be the coach so then the head of the ministry of course except those somewhere else he his name is yes will he be coming this is one of the four five and the firmware it just delivers a brief check yes and it did seem like someone had got the how to make a drama menu in which you have to just occasionally diffuse the tension with a joke about that yeah one of those I'm going to keep this might have been able to reset the desires of the stuff we can and so they make then and that's a really nice part of the film where they're at a ministry setting it up and then their training weekend %HESITATION team building stuff does he get some of the characters complaining that there will be eating any meat for three months I felt very self righteous about women yes I think the comic moments are quite well within that sequence and top and has managed to manipulate his wife into helping quite a lot he goes from initially stealing and pawning her jewelry to find stuff and also she's pretty neglected spy him she seems okay with that because she's got a mind she seems to be independently wealthy families we need ambitious it seems like she's been married to him I think she refers to her father choosing him over somebody she prefer hurts so there's that hand to various marriages and there he says words she's really sassy character but she's not really characterize beyond her socks with hand there are moments where most of the time she seems really quick setup in Paris by him especially when parties when he gets drunk and the song and dance numbers speak and one of them's even bite him trying to get her to dance with him and she's not interested but when she becomes the person who's looking for the team is heading up the entire kitchen mystery cooking for the team then she becomes a hands on contribute to a larger project who is a valuable member but I think on the on the way to that happening she's really quite integral I mean he manipulates her and it's quite a funny saying you know you're finding it funny but also it's a bit problematic and that he's got the ministry secured but he's trying to get all the other stuff you need security and so he speaks phone call saying that somebody else's wife is going to help with the kicking and provide the means for the first time pay for it all as trials no no I don't think that person is going to think oh they did yes there are other states so he manipulates her into helping and then when they're on the way the card gets stuck in the months and then you go to a major plot point here because the car gets stuck in the mud it's tough on a chain of patient trying to free the whale that's stuck in the mud he keeps that thing she says to him you need to take your shoes off because that's what is making me sick but Homer grant if you take a she softened semantically Texas she self financed correct from his back feet in the months this is a plot points because and the final game ferry English whether characters it's blisteringly hot summer and dry and then ask them to storm happens and it's very heavy downpours the commentators even say stuff like well we engage where you say yes but the ending second Honda rand and I was thinking this is their own sayings surely there is still more than we are in the country is a software as a strength of the British team but they can yeah right I thought well that should be a star Shuster this problem and then it becomes apparent that the English team has spiked shoes and state Indian team has normal pencils westrock so %HESITATION some of them I thought alright so having standardized equipment wasn't at this point it seems you could just like one team could have guns yeah that's good no I have things on their stacks top on is watching this and he gets one of those memories floating and then the audio of his wife telling me I need to take your shoes off and so he tells the team thank you she's %HESITATION selected probably symbolic because there there is these %HESITATION people have been training in circumstances where it is all right okay so any issues anyway but more in the relevant not wearing shoes he played the rest of the match actually even when it stops raining I'm not positive what helps them to it it is one of those films that goes around and things that you might not think is useful but of course it's going to be remembered as being something up front so can do this we'll do it right I had to look this up so the way in which it works is one of the nineteen thirty six Olympics the pre war team which is the British India team that flying is the unifying with a metal symbol to indicate that seemed rather Great Britain as the team is going in to play in this finals this is the first few minutes of the film couple of Indian protesters coming from the front of the Indian team's box and they have the flood of what the time was proposed to be the flank of four would be independent India by the Congress so this is a party in the Indian parliament that wants independence and the front is very familiar yeah it's just that the symbol in the middle isn't quite what it is now because the symbol in the middle in this pre independence version of the proposed version was the spending where is the symbol in the middle man so otherwise it's still the same orange white and green horizontal checker with a spinning wheel in the middle of the whites behind bars now the Indian flag exactly same colors but the thing in the middle it's not spinning wheels it's not even an actual object it's a simple this could be a shocker chakra it represents the eternal wheel of little apartment and it was deliberately picked over the spinning wheel as an indication at the point when India became independent as performers Inbal because it suggests willingness to move into the future with a spinning wheel suggest and to use them that's the finding of courses hosted in the nineteen forty at live pictures on the table the company prior to having their own national anthem having a look at the different types of flags that were proposed for India three independence the one that looks very similar to the ones used now the woman and the spinning wheel and it was one of a variety of different flags that were proposed during the very lengthy period when India was agitating for independence that flank that was hosted by others to Indian ports is one of the beginning of the film that's only very recently been proposed as the national flag what happens is this is Nazi Germany in nineteen German officials they grab these two Indian guys and stopping them up one throws the flag why ends up it happened at six feet he could grab that stuff sits in his jacket and at the moment when that Indian team in nineteen thirty six has won the girls and then being lined up on the podium and it say we're gonna place their petition defiant I'm gonna play god save the queen and you're gonna saluted in semi urban desi reaches inside his jacket needs pulls out cores this flag and everyone who's lined up the whole team is lined up the stocks with some accountant sees it and puts his hand across his heart and not just the person next to me the season because his own because all the way down the line so that what they're doing is they're actually just very quietly saluting the flag well this is poking out of Tampa messes jacket so the whole thing in the beginning setting up this will be done legitimately at some point you have to do it surreptitiously circling your present moment number one quite seventy in this film and of course the times when we actually get British characters they are quite useful we've got the people who were running the police force in the city the pendulum went him out saying the strong fit in this is this is well before he becomes part of the national team directed against as well to be a police officer because he's wanted for the police forces okay and the person who tells him to do this is a member of the white the ministration and then after independence we get lots of different ways to scenes where the English organizes of the group info continued federal discussing things around the table and what was their smoking of course there is a conspiracy of evil people which I suppose is far enough this is a fun way it's quite okay for Great Britain to be antagonistic both of people from different you can take the same pretty dirty as well and the thing is we specifically have a commentator he talks about musically because it vigorous marking the seventy from isn't for me I just knocking people over okay yeah because something happens back in nineteen thirty six in German team in nineteen thirty six and the ref seven looking at %HESITATION something happens in nineteen forty eight hello I. people there's no difference between them that's the film's implicit insistence that the Germans who %HESITATION the oppresses in nineteen thirty six as just as the organisers of the event yeah %HESITATION replaced the bridge that's the thing is even if you feel free I'm not impressed in your own country if your country colonizes another one you can make those people feel oppressed so the way the Nazis make most of their fail type thing well let's face it the English it's been making India feel for two hundred years among many others the ship portion of the British Army that was made of Indians turn signal one of the top it's something like twenty percent yeah India it's wise if you look at other things it was so cool needs at the time it was one two percent India was very significant when you go back to the partial war as well it's a similar story and then you've got I didn't as well as part of that Terry it's worth noting as well that top and keep southside southside doesn't go away he keeps it and it re emerges I thought very heartfelt talks that they all have that argument still having the dressing rooms said Hoffman and I'm in the final a post it again just to remind everybody this is what we're all United against what we're fighting for it's bigger than all of us it's bigger than our petty conflicts between us personally this is the whole nation we're doing this for this seven pleasant weather kind of thing is in case didn't do it for India is made and it does seem to just instantly work everyone okay yeah I completely poverty for five minutes business so I think there's the post colonial thing which is pretty massive but then the idea of neo colonialism because there's a huge mines of western influence not just and the culture that's depicted in the film but also the film itself and how it's made how it's put together and say song and dances to the song and dance numbers both of them lads by the character of top on both of them concerning him being really drunk and I think at least one of those is during the time of probation where he's got secret T. hese smoker and sent champagne or something and say he's got poor strings actually can replace talking to us been in for a hundred he would seem to be quite the Indian films being a singer and a dancer the way that it's fifty eight into the narrative and this is in contrast to the rules of soaring tiger Zinda hai is inventive because rather than having a storage space in which it's completely fine to be able to just break into singing and dance which gives the storage space for the fantastical failed they create ways of doing it that doesn't change the nature of the story and I mean to make you go all right we live in this much closer I'm sorry in tiger Zinda hai it was to do with having musical accompaniments weights not soon Bonnie the characters that the it will be in a do you want to say for example whether to force isn't doing a very similar and what they're saying and the way they sounds to the voices of the two main characters three seventy six kind of coming out of the polls and then during the ending sequence there's a musical number of the films coming out to them they were like music videos yeah and the film and then another one is actually there's only those take their music other points there's no mistaking especially if you consider what a lot of people would regard as the language that I did to a deadly signifying that the interesting me again yes they don't necessarily fix Macy and Mrs story space you could actually read them as this is tough and strong confirmed the same and he's run amok you know because only twice the weekend characters singing and dancing and the both at social events whether celebrations going on in the first ones to do with temple Texas got the team together the first incarnation of the team together after the second World War and the celebration and people go oh type industrial grades it sing sing us a song it does this graphics on dancing and then the second one is the latest celebration Morris put the second version the team together but this one was to show us that his alcoholism is still not make any sense for yeah being quite grumpy records also for a lot of women and there's quite a few western white women that make up the backing dancers that suddenly appeared like that and the same and that's been laid down for that event ten people but then they end up amongst the crowd insulin because people sitting in this section I used and I think it's not second one is the one where he's trying to get his wife to dance with him it's been unsavory actually and then ends up in Poland with not one of the dancing white women a white woman who was not the social events it's quite well today and ends up hitting your interest homes with them the space he had so much to drink does this thing seems been sparked production yes there does seem to be an indication of subsurface each from one of the process the guy under Wadia yeah he seems to have directed a couple of guys to the spike tampon strings so the eagles radio serials so if you can get rid of him the songs in themselves so even hide a fan is a bit different to what we would consider what we've made make assumptions about I believe it's a stink but also they're quite modernized it's quite contemporaneously and arrangements that are being used there stop man hi much of the western influence is there and maybe in terms of neo colonialism in terms of the film production it's actually more how much of an American influences are rather than the predation plants because you count radiation twice well you would assume to be any kind of British film and these specially with the action films it was very exploding action name we say so yeah all the really cool stuff making everything look really cool and slash with this it was aggressive stand Sunday and was never repaired by was never so low it was sold out there is that we should see more Hindi films the next couple of months because I want to see just how normal it is to maintain song and dance numbers but not in the standard musical form of people just do this but to have some sort of storage space justification for wonderful singing and dancing to see more that are failing because we've seen the trailers who may have been exposed to the sounds and stitch it actually so before tiger Zinda hai movie fascinating that there was still in the bike path man that guy he based on a real story this real guy this revolutionary guy who took it upon himself to make menstrual products for women in his life and his speech in November he made a very simple machine that you can use to make your own that was a state thing the machine which you can buy for next to nothing so that women can save masses of money on that these luxury items section comes yeah and of course also in some cases just be able to have the module because yes you can physically get a hold of them to be difficult where's the trends we saw before gold definitely he there was one that was quite an aggressive I was coming across me like a sexual comedy or something it was really quite difficult to tell what the narratives could be the tone of these films if they're being funny or system is falling from one scene to display of sexual comedy and no I just wanna park from one tech indexes wife's name yeah and yet this mono something if I have a name or anything that's one group camp there wasn't really enough sure enough there was nice bits without ever quite funny but says her quite sweet baths where she'd be really annoyed at him and then she would say being away and cut off and he goes I know and of each other when they're both shopping to provision the monster yes just before that the Congress talking about music she's on the beginning of the month or sequence there with music with lyrics right and that's remarkably common aspects of narrative cinema when you have a couple in it whose relationship you want to suggest is improving that was an unusual moment it was quite a musical film for a film about field hockey that builds as well with their relationship because them and they're preparing the pads for the players there's a wee bit of innovatively stuff going on the ship and sometimes happens %HESITATION it's implied that it will happen it's very beautifully choreographed it's almost like a tent space in itself where they got this read send us one rose the mattress the other posters sheet over the internet got this beautiful with them as they go across the bags in the dorm the one points they get really affectionate the nicer Darlington's close to mesquite a matter this is actually causing focusing and there's an implication that they have some special time together I wanted to just point out that there was one moment very early on the film I think it's what we knew about twenty minutes from where we see worse for the closest stop close out of that conducts lying in the streets it's just three after having this long as an honest so I've been thinking throughout the film this is a following the sculpted depends on the Starz series and then realized it was just make up they have someplace I happily have mainly just how does the stock room to his face this was a lot so very very forties face rows for which is to say everything I had I'm twenty one think this thing with training this phone has a it's going to message is whatever your conflicts may be they are insignificant next to the needs of your country we get this in a loss of some locations will do nationalistic message that says you'll need to pull together for your country stop thinking of yourself as individual agents you want to collect but this film developed quite some length and it made it possible the drummer of putting the team together because when they got the second team and they've got personal time and then when the street field and trying to the team is keeping so that people can print job from various bits of India from three to two or three thousand clicks and not really speaking to each other is that on some routes rotating releases of notes being part of the team was training them now because yes yes will train and he comes in he realizes that they're not so full steam from that that's what led him to his father okay nice to meet you back in nineteen thirty six is being part of the world for services okay everyone's pretty okay six pounds and then it's something else yeah yeah that's exactly I don't I figured out before he says okay I want everyone to pick up this huge pile of bricks here take it to the other side of the Hokies %HESITATION individual team members of picking up to three bricks each running around saying he failed to put him down and then he says all right after you've done that well done now do you get this back and forth back and forth and after what three or four times a day you know you're just going OR senator does it's okay it's okay just tell in a moment when I do teaching I'm quite big on these kinds of situations work out his books of limitations which have to do with things just got over and I could tell you how to do it well I'm gonna let you mess it up three of all time yeah and then you can go and of course the best thing to do is that they should form a human chain impossible hello and that's the least effort way of getting the breaks from the sort of fell together and that's part of the building a team here we got to work together thing and that's something that the team in general has to learn but it's also what the prince character negative processing has to learn because he's the one who wants to send forward who just wants to score this is new one pulse and someone tells the story about the game he's most proud of which is the game for this team only won one and he did himself score single government okay and it was a game where the other team and realized it was pretty good and so they surrounded him with other clients yeah same for four people around him but he just can't speak people occupied so that his fellow players could do the work things are so proud because what he did at one point was nice to get the ball away answer this circle of other teams circle of people looking out to one of his other team members who attend school and that's the model and it takes a long time the whole phone to get that message yeah yeah said one of things in the second half of the final is that one of the yeah something's worked it says that he passes to him so that he can score so there's something going on they pasticcio therapy goes I think you get a phone I thought the team though they had actually happened before we went to the Olympics and I have been to the final that's how extreme yeah that was great for the film and it was a way for them to lay out this morning actually message now of course to be part of a collective is not necessary to be part of the national collective there are different sorts of cotton I like that idea of a film which says it doesn't cost you anything as an individual to be part of the group in fact it can benefit you as an individual Diversicare even though the way of grouping the film was so very Keena properties nationhood was itself the ideology which propelled the British administration to partition India at the same time is giving its independence what they thought would be the best thing to do would be okay these people want to have third representation these people have the representation so just give each in the country and splitting this groups that was %HESITATION an initiative unit into two separate countries so twenty three because I work so well with Ireland yes indeed that's not to say that the right thing to have done would have been to %HESITATION created a single country because that would still have bombs and explosives or still have yeah it's important to note sorry just that a lot of the characters actually coal India Hindustan while so I think that's a whole other aspect of this the movie's orders even before partition stuff this is this is a Hindu country which would be the same thing as your uncle in Europe or the UK or the British Isles Christendom which we wouldn't do that because that's not the way nation and does or should work should be theoretically organized tool maybe some of these words that's been emptied out with pre existing meeting such that's just a nickname for India about combining some sense that India is a Hindu country interests from one secular nation and even the film demonstrates how are you very people's beliefs and their customs there is a degree of Hindu nationalism in India this film seems to be against that form of nationalism please yeah idea this resistance is David just more like these things can coexist the six members of the team are invaluable actually the film seems quite strategically to grow this petition was about putting in these games mostly and we're not gonna give up on either of these groups the position of being the best players in the team we are going to send both of them aside for that particular part of place we can get that to six of the show the different economic backgrounds and so there's this really knows it's a problem that's pointed out quite a bit there is this we gonna party lines may need different types of citizen of India we can expect even final impact something a different country some people used to be in the Indian team now playing on a different team I still have as soon as they arrive things this shaking hands and hugging where what there seem to be expected to do this with the scene seems stuff at least this weather in Great Britain and having a great team seems the way it's supposed to happen is that Pakistan and India teams posted what pasta each other when I knowledge of it exist but then actually what we do with handshakes and hugs there's no internet is for people who are very good friends and colleagues the four countries were ripped apart from each other most agree that politicians giving one of at least because things like a million people don't want to create that that was a very bad thing to happens yeah and there's no democracy yeah and we must agree with the film's imposed to explore the benefits for the individual of being part of collectives %HESITATION level of this stuff but it is also still a highly nationalistic cinema which is only so the U. K. because one of I'd love to get this a kind of hackneyed simplistic idea about the sacredness of nation it might be skeptical about yes but this part of the world that we're in right now I it hasn't been very work being picked three not for a thousand years what's India and Pakistan three by this country so it's difficult seven can you just have to try and see it from the other side like it's a different form of nationalism when it's by taking back control of something this is a country that has been in control for a very long time and has exerted control over other parts of the globe for a very long time if you're in the country that's taken some of that back for yourself after you hundreds of years of colonialism colonial room I mean I think it's understandable that you're trying to find your own identity I mean I don't know enough about India I can really only speak from my own experience being on another island that has been colonized by six one six next identity the sense of place is nice and recklessness that package she I think it's very natural for humans to try and understand what they are and the world at their end and the place that they ran it down today is so much a part of he if he's being colonized because you don't know what your rate item today is necessarily if that makes sense coming from that perspective I understand why they would feel such a sense of attachments cherry and national identity when you haven't been allowed to have one and he don't know it's such a small part of the film but the Anglo Indian ones because he won double highly diluted by white western jeans do you need to be to be angry I was at one time Sastre somewhere is that enough to just Palestinians were women married off to fight or something thirteenth place you have to go back to the eighteenth century we are talking about rather rich white men he would move to India and deliberately specifically take Indian one as to whether there was choice involved I've always seen them but then again we can only three choices rolled back in place and spitting in the film there's the strong implication that the main character is an arranged marriage and the tests get on with it I suppose nationhood it means many different things according to circumstance because we're living in a nation where is the printer recently we would start to get completely okay with that nation being an administrative unit in the larger maybe that was something that we're getting some very okay with because the major nations in Europe until a point none of them have lived under the yoke of another nation from various say Catalonia which is just recently asserted its independence nation her to something that they very much want to hear because it's something that's really been deprived of and then you can set individual stories call in the middle of that with the likes of colonia with the likes of Ireland and I dare say race India Pakistan people get ripped away from the country and I'm not sure I don't think that they feel that they have because of the majority feeling they haven't got much choice I mean the kind of the only ones very problematic because they weren't allowed in the convo the people were intimidated into not voting there is no no side against independence there's no no arguments happening because people were intimidated into not giving them there were a lot of people he feels like I am both command and Spanish and European I feel that I am all of these things thank you my identity and British and Irish and Ulster and European I'm all of those things under responding units to respond I think it may be in a party that wants to be in the Mediterranean because I'm already freezing and there's ten more months success come Kokoraleis somebody all guests and I'm already two goals for India and Pakistan and you see this in the in the film actually it's emerging in the politics going on in the box office the film for people don't want to be ripped away but they have to stay in one place or another for their own safety they can travel anywhere in the way that K. they can expressively aren't anymore the way they K. they're not welcome in a country they feel is their own when that happens and you think well okay I'll just go and be this other thing because they won't he it's very difficult I think if you've been born into a legacy that hasn't had to think about those things then it's difficult maybe for you to say that I can get it I can see this identity such a huge issue where I come from as your sense of belonging to your nation continues just struck me that this constraining on India having won the field hockey I'm in the middle of the foldable twice for more in the morning and again afterwards this president is that message there is in is an awesome mission and even appointment was part of an empire it was already a moral some nation van the mention the reserve ahead of time that's how it works to your keeping trying to people this came up for me to break out artist while to keeping trying to people here better thinking conserve better basically they get stuff done so he kicked in tiny cakes and shake their heads you keep them working free you don't let them believe that they can be anything other than your servants that's what they're born to date because of their funny colored skin and then third silly voices or whatever arbitrary reason you are led to believe that there the last year humanly it's a similar thing slavery by another name for most brave to acknowledge that independent India walls and less tolerant nation moving having a sit down conversations people going yeah I simply cannot remain in this nation guess what I implied was things were back to previously even though that meant things were better %HESITATION the imperial rule transaction I want to go out of nine inter community phone and service from spoken about the idea of India being something that had to be built so a lot of effort after independence from something that serves its internal medicine just automatically became this highly caring country this was a film is still growing India is incomplete without Paxton and you think well it's a relatively young country and it's a very old country in one sense in a very own country and another what was put together into India by the British was a sensitive dozens of independent kingdoms monarchies one of our characters in this film is a prince is a member of the royal family all of an area of the Punjab which is still living in Kuala luxury even though it doesn't have its power so this new knowledge meant that there is this whole sensitive medical dynasties and what I think that my running shoes well then now ones that looks at different levels ruler full still existing and nesting even now still maintain the status is being part of the world from where India is not eighteen century things throwing off its shackles India it is a thing made by third even that's implicitly being influenced by this phone let's just mention for a moment be just taking off all of his clothes because negative to show that he's a really generous prince I think it was a redeeming thing about item that is completely out of now and it's not in line with anything else that he does but just after he's been headhunted buying top industries driving to contest back to the station is owned come on the way that regulate see someone sitting next to the road stops without explaining what he's doing Nick server to this writer who sitting in the sun right takes off all his clothes except for his underwear gives them to the crime scene on side of road gets back in the car and drives off and that's it interesting no no site characterization is picked up on let's run of him being on this but knowing that haven't realized none of that so I do wonder how many different edits that script to consider whether that malicious acts in the left hand there's no other heads of him being mildly humanists in anyway so I just wanted to get a naked scene and before week yeah yeah I think we're ever unfolding about the different issues and things that it's nice actually to go to different places in the world and I think this is probably the first non anglophone films that we've discussed on the recording because we didn't do one for tiger Zinda hai it into one for that we didn't do one for the spirit of the beehive I think when they watch that we do watch quite a lot of films and all different languages I think partly because you're concentrating on subtitles it's difficult to take notes so I'm waiting for caixabank taking notes during films so this one actually I think we've done quite awhile everybody because we saw this film days ago and speech you could see notes on the internet with us tonight John is a few things signed this morning because of the mass we have not done this with notes into were totally awesome they're not models and brands are still working we will do this again 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